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For the purposes of locating this terminating line, the end of a command_string operand (see sh) shall be treated as a character, and the end of the commands string in $(commands) and `commands` may be treated as a . If the end of input is reached without finding the terminating line, the shell should, but need not, treat this as a redirection error. The format is as follows:","previewURL":"https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/f031d06b-ed70-4a11-a3eb-bfd2298cbc5e/image.png","fileURL":"https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/f031d06b-ed70-4a11-a3eb-bfd2298cbc5e/image.png","width":971,"height":285}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"both forbid the bullseye bash (and dash always) behaviour, I think?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"but issue 8 allows\n```\necho \"$(head -n1 < and continues until there is a line containing only the delimiter and a , with no characters in between. Then the next here-document starts, if there is one. The format is as follows:","previewURL":"https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/0da037cb-cece-4347-a0eb-f452f79450f1/image.png","fileURL":"https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/0da037cb-cece-4347-a0eb-f452f79450f1/image.png","width":491,"height":185}},{"type":"attachment","attachment":{"attachmentId":"f031d06b-ed70-4a11-a3eb-bfd2298cbc5e","altText":"2.7.4 Here-Document The redirection operators \"<<\" and \"<<-\" both allow redirection of subsequent lines read by the shell to the input of a command. The redirected lines are known as a ``here-document’’. The here-document shall be treated as a single word that begins after the next NEWLINE token and continues until there is a line containing only the delimiter and a , with no characters in between. Then the next here-document starts, if there is one. For the purposes of locating this terminating line, the end of a command_string operand (see sh) shall be treated as a character, and the end of the commands string in $(commands) and `commands` may be treated as a . If the end of input is reached without finding the terminating line, the shell should, but need not, treat this as a redirection error. The format is as follows:","previewURL":"https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/f031d06b-ed70-4a11-a3eb-bfd2298cbc5e/image.png","fileURL":"https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/f031d06b-ed70-4a11-a3eb-bfd2298cbc5e/image.png","width":971,"height":285}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"both forbid the bullseye bash (and dash always) behaviour, I think?"}},{"type":"markdown","markdown":{"content":"but issue 8 allows\n```\necho \"$(head -n1 <