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наб @nabijaczleweli1/14/2023, 2:40 PM

cum host users, i require your linguistic opinion w.r.t. "archival" as in the highlighted bits

"In all cases, ! overrides to default — no re-scheduling, no limit, or no archival, respectively." and "In addition to the date and time of the event, the recurrence and archival configuration is listed, if rerat(8) will process the file after it expries — this also takes into account your current defautl config-"

"date(1), mail(1), rat(1) – interactive scheduling, ratrun.ics(7) – iCalendar emulation, rerat(8) – event periodisation and archival"

please vote yes or no in the comments below

context below the fold to not colour your take

my instinct is yes; this is backed up by the BSD corpus (defined as "the CSRG 1BSD-4.3BSD CD"), which uses it like this, and wiktionary agrees, as does my reference anglo #1

father says no instinctually; his dixionaries, as well as the one bigname i looked at, don't note non-adjectival "archival"

the wiktionary entry citation for the noun form is also computer-related, so this might just be a modern usage?

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наб @nabijaczleweli1/14/2023, 2:54 PM

https://help.antisoftware.club/support/tickets/7046 :v

Nire Bryce @NireBryce1/14/2023, 4:09 PM

if it's used like that it's maybe worth continuing to use it like that, but archiving seems a better fit for example 1 and maybe 3. not at all a linguist though

наб @nabijaczleweli1/14/2023, 5:15 PM

hm yeah i can see that; well you aren't polish which makes you inherently more qualified to have an opinion than either of us; all archive-related text is fresh, hence why im consulting The Anglosphere before committing to any specific grammar for it

Nire Bryce @NireBryce1/14/2023, 5:29 PM

archival is like, archival ink or an archival system or an archival action.

so like, relating to the field/genre, compare to: "industrial machinery"

I'm not awake enough (and also still sightly intoxicated) to remember what part of speech that is

but in computers it's also used informally on its own I think, but that may also be just non-primary-english speakers. in the end I'm not sure it matters, the point is clear enough even if it's sightly off. If i didn't know you weren't a primary English speaker I would have assumed it was just some Linux/Unix tradition

наб @nabijaczleweli1/14/2023, 6:51 PM

yes, the adjective form is very much globally attested

the noun form is also attested in the wiktionary (which doesn't cite its source) with a computer-related quote, as the practice of archiving or an instance of archiving

this i can very much find in the BSD dumps – https://lfs.nabijaczleweli.xyz/0015-cohost-images/2023-01-14-archival.png – esp. "tape archival program" (program for tape archival; unsigned) and the big block of notes-file archival in the middle (signed by ray essick from illinois, so.)

i also see noun archival used freely as such via DCS, even in the bits that aren't word salad; given these two, i wouldn't be surprised if this was a modern derivation there had simply been no need for pre-archiving-as-a-fundamental-operation, and having that in documentation gives it staying power

idk, vibes are the only correct tool for linguistic analysis (so its nice that my, loathe though i am to designate it so, computational method agreed with yours) and i roughly agree with your assessment en general

Nire Bryce @NireBryce1/14/2023, 9:01 PM

I'm not sure it matters that much in the end, people get what's meant, and a lot of computer loanwords don't make sense so it's nbd. language is made up* and changes when people add things

* well, you know what I mean. there's still rules but they're flexible

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